There's no Javascript in the whole thing, by the way. That means the page might show the wrong song for a bit until it autorefreshes (every 60s, for now) but it keeps everything real simple.

Working with just basic HTML and CSS means it does fine on very limited browsers, too.

@cks It's absolutely trivial to whip up a little wrapper around https://github.com/pquerna/otp. You could even just hardcode the secret into your source if you prefer.

@knapjack I think so. It's not magic, but it is good and worthwhile. The tools are different and can be obtuse for someone coming from another language. It took me quite a while to figure out how to get any value out of the debugger, for example. Programming Go in my day job, I find Quicklisp kinda lacking when compared to the go modules tooling.

Documentation for libraries, even widely-used libraries, can sometimes be so sparse (just a list of function names, go read the source if you want to know what they mean) as to be essentially useless. And maybe McCLIM is extremely obvious to those deeply steeped in Lisp, but goddamn if it's not a challenge for plebs like myself.

Despite those gripes, I try to write Common Lisp code for little side projects when I can. I recently tried making a website with caveman2 and found it really easy to build a JSON API w/ a database backend plus templates to populate HTML. That's a big part of my day job in Go, and I'd rate the two options at a very similar level of ease and effort.

@cks THIS INCIDENT WILL BE REPORTED

@knapjack @DorotheaLange You'll still see a scene much like that outside the Baughman's in Livermore to this day. Here's a photo I took circa 2012.

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@larsbrinkhoff @dpk He tried really hard to inflict some ITS stuff on us too, though -- remember when all the GNU man pages were little stubs pointing you at the goddamn info system?

@cks @Talen_Lee Job sounds interesting but I'm worried you might implement a RTO (Return To Orlop) policy which would be a deal-breaker.

@jbcrawford Sorry to hear Shooting Range Park is in bad shape, I always really admired it when I lived in the area. Nice and big, not expensive, and they were pretty good about enforcing safety whenever I visited.

I loved the Bosque trails, both on foot and on a bicycle, and I'd hate to see them turn into unofficial OHV parks where a kid can't safely walk... so I'm really glad to hear you don't think that will happen! You're right that there's plenty of space elsewhere that's way more conducive anyway.

@jbcrawford Is there any enforcement at all? Here in the SF area it's assholes going 35 on electric dirtbikes (with fig-leaf pedals) all over the walking trails, sidewalks, etc.

@jbcrawford heck yeah (apologies for the minimal color processing post-scan)

@masinter Despite the name, the Kensington Expert Mouse is a trackball... but I do find it pretty effective. It's got 4 buttons, real buttons.

Otherwise, I've also spent a lot of time using a Logitech 3-button PS/2 mouse plugged into a USB converter.

Comedy option, build your own: https://jfloren.net/bellwether.html

@petersanchez @ols Scolded by himself, apparently. Photoshop experiment?